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It all depends on how thin the thread is and how tight the weave is. If the thread is thin, and the weave tight cotton fabric can be incredibly thin and sheer. That's basically what "brushed cotton" is. And they've been able to make it that thin for a long time, probably since before when the stuff was so new to europe people thoght it came off sheep attached to stems in the ground (see Barometz or Vegetable Lamb of Tartary) Cotton is the substance, not the weave. Denim (aka the stuff your blue jeans are made of, is cotton, as is some modern canvas (though that can also be linen, and traditionally, hemp.) It's not all that different than, say wool. Tenchnically a Shetland sweater and a Casmere shawl are both made of wool (okay wool from different animals but you'll get me) even though one is so thin and fine you can pull it through a ring, and the other so bulky it would take up a box on it's own.
Nylon would have been out of the question. First of all for most of the 40's Nylon wasn't even AVAILABLE for general buying (it was all needed for the war effort, to make parachutes and such) And while it WAS available for the public in the 1950's, it was still fairly expensive. And of course, as i said, nylons were still considered a very "adult" thing back then, as much a mark of a girl being "grown up" as lipstick and high heels. To make kids socks out of it would have been considered as odd as someone today trying to sell a line of children's day to day shoes designed by Prada, Mahnolo Blanick, and Jimmy Choo (though for all I know, those exist as well). To our modern eyes, Lucy seems reall dressed up (let's face it, with it's puffed sleeves and bow in the back, Lucy's dress looks like something you would wear to a fancy party now) but back then, that would have been standard go to school clothing, and fairly ordinary.
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From my collection, a Peanuts panel (around 1967)
I have always been fond of this one for several reasons 1. It is a shoe loss in saddle shoes (which, as I have mentioned are fairly rare) and 2. It is one of the few cases I have seen of Charile Brown actually getting his revenge on Lucy. This copy is from a book collection; I am still looking for a copy from an actual period newspaper to add to my collection. I want that because, given the number of panels, this is very clearly a Sunday comic, and so, If I can find it in a newspaper, it will actually be in color. The panel has been published in several of the books (there's a full page version in The Peanuts Treasury and logically it must be somewhere in one of the volumes of The Complete Peanuts but neither of them have it in color. I suppose I could photocopy a version and color it myself, but I stink at coloring inside the lines, and it just wouldn't be the same |
Nice find. Even when I was a little kid I always wanted to see Lucy lose her shoe. I always imagined her blue socks to be those thin nylon frilly lace socks girls often wore. Sorry I haven't been on lately, the hurricane took me off the grid for several days. |
I'd actually assume them to be cotton, we are talking about a character design that was largely finalized in the 1950's; back then, nylon socks would not have been made, or at least, would not have been made for little girls (nylons were after all a grownup thing) and as for frills, if they had them, we'd see them. Lucy (and indeed, most of the sock wearing characters) probably are wearing Bobby socks, which would have been perfectly orndinary back then (plus of course, from a traditional point of view, bobby socks and saddle shoes do sort of go together). It's not even 100% certain that, when and if I ever find the colored one, it will be blue. It probably will, but there are a few older strips, before Shultz codified the character appearances, where the characters wore colors other than there normal ones. Lucy was sometimes in red, and sometimes in yellow.
There are even a few cases of the characters wearing shoes other than thier "normal" ones (and I am not including those where the characters are wearing an out and out different set of clothes, like when the are dressing up) There is a famous strip (famous in that the final image (of snoopy shocking Lucy by kissing her nose) is a popular clip image) where Lucy is wearing Mary Janes (or what passes for Mary Janes in the Peaunts universe, see below) Sally has worn saddle shoes a few time (significant, given her in comic stated "white shoe" fetish). Even the cartoon series had a few (probably because most of the segments were taken directly from panels, and checking for consistency with the other strips was not always done). Lucy has plain white shoes in one at least, the stripes are missing as far as can be seen (she's sitting on the ground in that clip with the soles of her shoes towards the camera, but she does move them a few times enough to see bits of the sides, and there are no stripes) And there is one where her shoes have the squiggle of laces (like on Charlie Brown's shoes)
To my mind, the real shoe mystery in the Peaunuts universe involves some of the background characters, namely Linda (at least I think that's her name, green dress black hair in a bun) and Patty (not Peppermint Patty, the one in the orange plaid dress and hair ribbons with straight light brown hair) Both of these characters wear what appear to be Mary Janes. The odd thing comes into play with colored pictures. As you have already probably noticed, in the peanuts universe, everyone wears socks that are the same color as thier shirt/dress (or in Peppermint Patty's case, sandals the same color). Those two therfore shold have green and orange socks respectively and they do. The odd thing is, while the ankle portion of their socks are indeed colored in, the "gap" between the shoe strap and the rest of the shoe isn't, it remains white. And it isn't a "we forgot" thing Shultz actually would in the area in in white ink when he colored (Shultz colored in his own comics after a while, probably the same time the designs all got standardized). And they arent just socks with colored cuffs, the colored parts go all the way down to the start of the shoes, same as on everyone else. Maybe they arent Mary Janes, but two toned loafer like shoes. Incidentally if you are a cartoon fan, there is a similar issue with Mandy from The Grim Adventnures of Biilly and Mandy, in this case, white gap on the shoes despite the fact that (except in the pilot, where the animation is different) Mandy doesn't wear socks (and in fact, there is a brief scene in one eipsode ("Love is Evol spelled Backward", I think, the one with the Huggytime Bears) where mandy actually dangles one of her shoes, and it is obvios she has no sock on (so no "she's wearing those socks that don't go higher than the shoe line").
And somewhere I actually have a old Peanuts Quit that has one shoe pictures of Sally and Peppermint Patty as well, based on the Happines is.. books. Sally has one shoe on because she is putting them on (......learing how to tie your shoes by yourself." and Patty beacuse she is having a splinter removed.) |
Wow, very informative. Anyway, I think I actually confused bobby socks with the lace socks. Bobby socks were the thin socks that girls often folded over on top of each other right? That's what I imagined her wearing. |
Yep, those are them, assuming that, by " folded over on top of each other" you mean that the folded over the tops to make a cuff.
When I get around to it, there is another few peanuts strips worth posting. There is a Christmans one where Lucy is putting on her mary janes (it's the Pagent show, and she is dressing up, so that doesn't really count as a "non standard costume" where there is one one shoe panel (in the middle) Actually that one may also give the answer to the "white patch" question as well, as it shows Shultz wasn't all that good at drawing Mary Janes (especially when , as in this comic, he had to draw them without feet in them) I also have one I found where Lucy gives charlier brown her shoes and socks during a baseball game (she decides that, as she is in the grass in the outfield she might as well go barefoot and tells Charile brown to look after her shoes and socks) This is only signifcant in that it proves that Lucy actually does wear Saddle shoes as opposed to striped sneakers (as one of the few times we see her shoes from an angle other than the side, it's the only time the black stripe on the back is visible) as opposed to the "Modern" Lucy (the one with the pink shirt and blue pants) who probably does wear sneakers on the grounds that Saddle shoes are no longer common childs footwear (outside of certain private schools who usually have to special order them) Actually the really modern one definitely wears sneakers, near the end of the comic, Shultz starded coloring in the white part of lucy's shoes brown.
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Originally posted by Mandrake
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Originally posted by Nopperabo
From my collection, a Peanuts panel (around 1967)
I have always been fond of this one for several reasons 1. It is a shoe loss in saddle shoes (which, as I have mentioned are fairly rare) and 2. It is one of the few cases I have seen of Charile Brown actually getting his revenge on Lucy. This copy is from a book collection; I am still looking for a copy from an actual period newspaper to add to my collection. I want that because, given the number of panels, this is very clearly a Sunday comic, and so, If I can find it in a newspaper, it will actually be in color. The panel has been published in several of the books (there's a full page version in The Peanuts Treasury and logically it must be somewhere in one of the volumes of The Complete Peanuts but neither of them have it in color. I suppose I could photocopy a version and color it myself, but I stink at coloring inside the lines, and it just wouldn't be the same |
Nice find. Even when I was a little kid I always wanted to see Lucy lose her shoe. I always imagined her blue socks to be those thin nylon frilly lace socks girls often wore. Sorry I haven't been on lately, the hurricane took me off the grid for several days. |
I'd actually assume them to be cotton, we are talking about a character design that was largely finalized in the 1950's; back then, nylon socks would not have been made, or at least, would not have been made for little girls (nylons were after all a grownup thing) and as for frills, if they had them, we'd see them. Lucy (and indeed, most of the sock wearing characters) probably are wearing Bobby socks, which would have been perfectly orndinary back then (plus of course, from a traditional point of view, bobby socks and saddle shoes do sort of go together). It's not even 100% certain that, when and if I ever find the colored one, it will be blue. It probably will, but there are a few older strips, before Shultz codified the character appearances, where the characters wore colors other than there normal ones. Lucy was sometimes in red, and sometimes in yellow.
There are even a few cases of the characters wearing shoes other than thier "normal" ones (and I am not including those where the characters are wearing an out and out different set of clothes, like when the are dressing up) There is a famous strip (famous in that the final image (of snoopy shocking Lucy by kissing her nose) is a popular clip image) where Lucy is wearing Mary Janes (or what passes for Mary Janes in the Peaunts universe, see below) Sally has worn saddle shoes a few time (significant, given her in comic stated "white shoe" fetish). Even the cartoon series had a few (probably because most of the segments were taken directly from panels, and checking for consistency with the other strips was not always done). Lucy has plain white shoes in one at least, the stripes are missing as far as can be seen (she's sitting on the ground in that clip with the soles of her shoes towards the camera, but she does move them a few times enough to see bits of the sides, and there are no stripes) And there is one where her shoes have the squiggle of laces (like on Charlie Brown's shoes)
To my mind, the real shoe mystery in the Peaunuts universe involves some of the background characters, namely Linda (at least I think that's her name, green dress black hair in a bun) and Patty (not Peppermint Patty, the one in the orange plaid dress and hair ribbons with straight light brown hair) Both of these characters wear what appear to be Mary Janes. The odd thing comes into play with colored pictures. As you have already probably noticed, in the peanuts universe, everyone wears socks that are the same color as thier shirt/dress (or in Peppermint Patty's case, sandals the same color). Those two therfore shold have green and orange socks respectively and they do. The odd thing is, while the ankle portion of their socks are indeed colored in, the "gap" between the shoe strap and the rest of the shoe isn't, it remains white. And it isn't a "we forgot" thing Shultz actually would in the area in in white ink when he colored (Shultz colored in his own comics after a while, probably the same time the designs all got standardized). And they arent just socks with colored cuffs, the colored parts go all the way down to the start of the shoes, same as on everyone else. Maybe they arent Mary Janes, but two toned loafer like shoes. Incidentally if you are a cartoon fan, there is a similar issue with Mandy from The Grim Adventnures of Biilly and Mandy, in this case, white gap on the shoes despite the fact that (except in the pilot, where the animation is different) Mandy doesn't wear socks (and in fact, there is a brief scene in one eipsode ("Love is Evol spelled Backward", I think, the one with the Huggytime Bears) where mandy actually dangles one of her shoes, and it is obvios she has no sock on (so no "she's wearing those socks that don't go higher than the shoe line").
And somewhere I actually have a old Peanuts Quit that has one shoe pictures of Sally and Peppermint Patty as well, based on the Happines is.. books. Sally has one shoe on because she is putting them on (......learing how to tie your shoes by yourself." and Patty beacuse she is having a splinter removed.)
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That's a classic indeed. I have that one on my computer. Finding comics like that on a site like GoComics got a bit harder since they eliminated the tagging system. Kind of have to know the date it was printed and search it manually. DeviantArt, Flickr, and Safebooru also aren't half bad for finding good shoe loss pictures. |
I actually have a few other comics lying around somewhere (maybe I'll post them when I find them). and it's not just American Comic strips, I have found several nice shoe loss scenes in some foreign ones, like Mafalda.
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From my collection, a Peanuts panel (around 1967)
I have always been fond of this one for several reasons 1. It is a shoe loss in saddle shoes (which, as I have mentioned are fairly rare) and 2. It is one of the few cases I have seen of Charile Brown actually getting his revenge on Lucy. This copy is from a book collection; I am still looking for a copy from an actual period newspaper to add to my collection. I want that because, given the number of panels, this is very clearly a Sunday comic, and so, If I can find it in a newspaper, it will actually be in color. The panel has been published in several of the books (there's a full page version in The Peanuts Treasury and logically it must be somewhere in one of the volumes of The Complete Peanuts but neither of them have it in color. I suppose I could photocopy a version and color it myself, but I stink at coloring inside the lines, and it just wouldn't be the same
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Not my taste, but this might be of interest to someone here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jan-1997-Silk-Stockings-Kimber-Sucks-The-Stiletto-H
eels-/281011693147?pt=Magazines&hash=item416d9a265b
Also one addrion to the booklist. I previosly mentioned The Girl Who circumnvigated Fairyland in a ship of hew own design. Well the third book has come out The girl who decended into fairyland and led the revels there and there is a one shoe picture there as well, sort of. The main character, September, has both shoes this time (they actually mention this in the story). However, since the main villian in this story is September's shadow (which was severed from her in the first book, and she only had one shoe when the shadow was severed, here shadow sized also only has one, and there is a chapter illustration of them grappling. It's not as good a picture as the one shoe one fromt he first book (since the shadow is basically an filled in black outline) but you can tell the shod foot from the unshod one.
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Few more additions
From a stage cinderella performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxZvhxinqVo&feature=related
The 1997 Brandy rodgers and Hammerstein version (single shoe scenes start around 1:14:00) besides the sheer number, I paricualry like the fact that Disney decided to go the hard route and outfit most of the Characters with old style high button shoes, as opposed to pumps, which would have made the trying on scenes a bit easier (as well as cutting the one shoe scenes a lot shorter, by making it easy for all of the tryers to slip shoes on and off).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6xKT9rq-i8&feature=related
While Looking for the other German Oz photo in my stored files, I came across this
and finally, a bit of potentially bad news. While wandering around Deviant art I came on these images from Red's Planet uploaded by the author. While are are listed as being "preliminary sketches" (which could mean they pre date the whole comic, and he may have simply changed some stuff) if they are going to be canon down the road it meand that at some point (possibly fairly soon) Red is going to lose/remove her remaining sneaker (not a big deal for those here who like complete de-shoeings, but not great news for one-shoe people like me.)
http://eddiepittman.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d28mlg1
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http://eddiepittman.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d28r96v
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I did a little searching and managed to find Youtube links to BOTH of the versions of Volkov's "Волшебник Изумрудногl
6; города" (A wizard of emerald town i.e. the Soviet version of The Wizard of Oz" I mentioned earlier.
First the live action one. There are two shoe loss/single shoe scenes in this version the better one is around the 43:00 mark, when Bastinda (the Volkov analog of the Wicked Witch of the West) steals one of Ellie's (Dorothy's) shoes. the actual pre melting shots aren't so great, but after she is melted, there is a pretty good one shoe walk by Ellie around the witch's remains to pick her shoe up again (right after the monkey turns back into a prince). A less good shot occurs a bit later (around 22:00) when Ellie's briefly takes one of her shoes off to shake some dust from it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLvaHRBnvkA
And the animated one (37:00, appx). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6gBQcYgZKg&feature=related
And as a bounus a few stage play ones. Unlike the american Oz versions (where incusion of the shoe loss scene is so rare that someone not familiar with the book might chalk the few that have it up to director whim). It's much more common to keep it in in Russia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NQ8dvRm9I (around 37:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fepUZiAfc4 (around 25:00)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXf-hHsRTB0 (around 33:00)
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There is another wedding habit popular in Russia and Poland. The bride is taken one of her shoes and wszystcy gentlemen present at the wedding (except the groom) must apply to the purchase of the boot - so they are allowed to dance with the bride. |
And since the picture is Russian, that is probably what has happened
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I'm wondering if this one might be an intentional one. From what I understand it used to be a wedding custom in some countries that the bride would remove her right shoe and throw it upon exiting the chapel. As with the modern day custom with the bridal bouquet, whoever caught the shoe was supposed to be the next one married. Maybe this is a resurgance (yes I know that it is her left shoe she is missing in the picture but still).
Actually, there may be a rich thread in to mine in depiticions of old marriage ceremonies. Shoes have long played an integral part in those ceremonies. It used to be common custom as part of the ceremony (before the time of the above bit) for the father of the bride to take one of his daughters shoes and touch the groom on the forehead with it, to signify the transfer of "ownership" (we are talking about medival to early Rennesaince period) of the girl beween the two. Sometimes it was hung on the front of the bed, for the same reason. Neith custom specifiys it has to be one of the shoes the girl is actually wearing, but we are talking about the middle ages and it is more than likey that many a bride only would own one pair at a time (if that). And even today, we still tie old shoes to the bumper of the newlyweds car (up until fairly recently the old shoes would actually be thrown at the newlyweds).
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Nopperabo, I would advice you to consider fininshing your story, because you show signs of real talent.
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My heart and soul burn to follow you advice, but my wrists and thier bad carpal tunnel have other ideas. Maybe come this winter if I am lucky, I can get some Dragon software for my computer (so I can speak the stories). Then maybe I'll finsh it.
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Another one from Tonights American Dad (as usual, my aplogies, but as it was just broadcast tonight, there are no links up)
Near the end of the episode (season premiere) Stan releases a lion in order to sell is SUV and it attacks the bikini model he has sitting on the car. The lion claws off one of her boots before she manages to get in.
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I didn't want to mention it (due to fears that someone would simply say I was ripping off your ideas) but one of my aborted stories also featured an alien culture where wearing one shoe (or in my case one boot) was the norm in certain circumstances. In that culture the standard female footwear was/is tight thighigh heeled boots. In the front hall of all homes and offices is a piece of furniture called a gzodurg (it looks sort of like a cross between an umbrella caddy and a number of bike locks). By custom whenever a female of this culture enters a home, she will remove one of her boots (whether left or right intially varies, but by custom everyone removes the same one) places it in one of the holes in the side of the gzodurg and locks in in place. When they leave, they unlock it and put it back on. The reason for this custom is as follows; in that society, removing one of your high heeled boots is considered a sign you trust the person whose house/office it is. By making it harder to run or keep your balance (that actually is one of the few things I have a problem with in this section, unless there is a pathological trait running through the population of this planet that makes all of the females have one leg 3-4 inches shorter than the other wearing one heel would actually make their balance, worse, not better. Unless you meant that it makes them walk more slowly and carefully.) you are indicating that you trust the other people enough to not have to worry about fleeing. That is also why they wear thighigh boots, harder to put on/take off, so harder to do quickly. This custom is so entrenched it has entered into their idioms. In their language the phrase "a two boot situation" means "a dangerous situation" and "I'd keep both my boots on" means "I wouldn't trust him/her". A person who is going for a high risk position (say running for high office) is said to be "practicing running on one heel". "I'd leave my left boot home" means "I trust you completely" and one of the oldest and most popular love songs has a chorus that translated goes "I took the right boot from every pair I own, and burned them all today, and so I will do all the days of my life, for now that I am with you, I will never need to flee again."
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