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Speaking of Adult swim programs, Bleach has a few shoe loss scenes as well. There was an episode way back (in the #50's I think) with a bird that was the reincarnation of a little kid, and when you see his flashback of when he and his mother were killed, his mother has one of her slingbacks knocked off in the struggle. The small blond haired Vizard is also often shown in one flip flop, since she likes to knock people over the head with the other one. There is going to be an episode (it hasn't shown yet on AS) where Soifon is going to kick one of her slippers off to keep from her foot rotting (after it is hit by an Arrancars attack). |
It was on this previos Saturday. Sorry for no time mark, the counter seem to be malfuntioncing (and the youtube one freezes before it gets to the scene) http://www.animeavenue.net/bleach-episode-281/
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Interesting update on this. As I said, in the episode linked Soifon has her slipper back a nano second after she kicks it off. However in last night's episode (I'll have to get back to you on the number) there was a scene where the remaining Soul Reapers gather around to protect Ichigo. Soifon has a brief talking scene, and in that one, it appears her slipper is missing again.
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This one is more on the line of a speculative shoe loss guess rather than an actual example. That is, while there has been no loss so far, I think it is possible there will be one in the future
It is my belief that Adventure time may feature a single shoe scene in some upcomping episode that features Marcie (i.e. Marceline when she was a Child) through there series we have had some brief flashback of marcie childhood just after the Mushroom Wars (i.e. when she was with Simon Petrov, before he became Ice King) The first time we saw her (which chrononlogically is probably the most recent to the AT present day she had a ragged dress and blouse and was wearing one torn sock. The second time (which is probably the furthest back) she was wearing the same clothes, but they were in perfect condition, and she had two socks and two brown mary janes (there is actually an even earlier one in one of the comics but she looks the same as she does here). The third most recent apperance appear to occur a bit later than the last one (Simon's beard and nose are longer and one of the lenses of his glasses is now cracked.) Simons clothes are now a little ragged (though not as ragged as they were the first time) She still has both shoes but now she's missing one sock. So my guess is as follows, the next time we see Marcie in a flashback it's probably going to be at some point in her history between the last bit and the first appearance (maybe when Ice King actually abandons her) and given the degradation of her clothing, it is entirely possible that she will be missing one of her shoes by that point.
And another Scooby Doo, Mystery Incorporated one.
In #52 (Coming apart) the very last episode of the current season (and probably the series) (It was just on today, so I doube there is an online link yet). After the Gang destroy the evil cosmic entity (no I'm not going to try and explain that further, to do so would require summarizing the whole show from episode 1) The gan find themselves in an alternate reality, one where the evil entity had never existed (and hence, had never tainted any of the innumerable people it had in thiers). In on of the "getting used to the new world" scene Velma was in her room on her bed with Marcie (i.e. "Hot Dog Water") planning a science project (in this world they are close friends) and unlike all the previos times we have seen her on her bed, she wasn't wearing her shoes (and neither was Marcie, so I guess it's a twofer)
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I love that Tatti one. The art style is great, I went through all the pictures, although it looks like it's out of order, either that or some pics are missing. I'd love to read the story that goes along with it. |
I recognize the style; that's Shageldian's work (He did a series of Oz books in Russian, which is how I know him). Despite the book being in Russian, Shageldian himself is actually Armenian. The Wizard of Oz in that series does not have a shoe loss (though I think he did a version of Volkov's A Wizard of Emerald Town that did) but the comically oversized shoes are prevalent there as well.
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I do agree with you her bare foot is too big and wide to fit the boot, but in a world of cat people anything is possable. I gave her catfeet but I also have done some with human feet, I can now ask which is better?
I only did it as a one off picture. |
Human if you were planning to do it as a series, especially since she has human legs (if she had cat legs the "knees" would be pointing the other way and she couldn't stand erect). for a one off, it's fine as it stands, it's a fantasy after all. |
What do you think of these one is human feet and the othe is cat feet but redized to fit the boot. |
Better
And now for a little bad news on the "Red's Planet Front" As I though Might happen (based on the art panels I saw on Deviant) In the current panel, and alien has stolen Red's remaining sneaker, so she's now shoe free. http://www.redsplanet.com/comic/rp/ch03/chapter-three-36/
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I do agree with you her bare foot is too big and wide to fit the boot, but in a world of cat people anything is possable. I gave her catfeet but I also have done some with human feet, I can now ask which is better?
I only did it as a one off picture. |
Human if you were planning to do it as a series, especially since she has human legs (if she had cat legs the "knees" would be pointing the other way and she couldn't stand erect). for a one off, it's fine as it stands, it's a fantasy after all.
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As art, wonderful! (if you are planning to make a comic of it, however, I'd ask the same question I did about Kitty Kastwell or Daisy Duck; how can a being with such wide toes FIT her foot into a boot like that)
Okay I remembered another book with a shoe loss, The Teacher from the Black Lagoon near the middle a girl cracks her gum and when the Teacher eats her one of her mary Janes flies off (here is a link of someone reading the book the page is around 2:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFiwoJYmrMA
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Alvin and the Chipmunks "Mind over Matterhorn"
About half way through this episode, the Chippetes get caught in an Avlanche and when they are finally dug out (and perform a song) thier clothes are wrecked and Brittney is missing one of her shoes. The actual scene with the Chippettes themselves isn't so good since this is from the period when Brittney's footwear was pretty low pink slip ons (as opposed to the pink sneakers she started wearing in later episodes when the whole legwarmer thing got old) and so tend to appear and dissapear (in fact if you watch the song, you'll notice a goof when she falls over, her shoeless foot still has the heel division it would have if she was wearing a shoe on it) however a bit later as she is trying to slink out of the hotel in disgrace she discovers that the music video went over incredibly and she has in fact started a trend. There are a whole group of young girls in wrecked clothes watinging to get the Chippettes autographs and they are ALL missing a shoe, Here's the best link I could find (youtube has a clip of the song, but not of the rest of the episode) Warning it takes a LONG time to finish buffering (the song is probably about 10:00 or so, the groupies around 11:02)
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Better version here:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmruvl_...ms#.UUukaxysh8E
I always liked Brittany's original outfit with the blue tights. There was another episode, called "alvie's angels" where Jeanette wears oversized pumps and white stockings. She takes her shoe off at one point to turn them into skis, how she keeps them on while skiing I don't know. Starts about 5 minutes in.
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There is one other episode that comes to mind as well. Don't remember the title but it had something to do with both of them getting marooned on a tropical island (no this is different from the movie). While none of the characters loses or removes thier shoes, I seem to recall thatafter the wreck the toe region of one of Jeanette's sneakers is torn open (as is Simon's)
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Alvin and the Chipmunks "Mind over Matterhorn"
About half way through this episode, the Chippetes get caught in an Avlanche and when they are finally dug out (and perform a song) thier clothes are wrecked and Brittney is missing one of her shoes. The actual scene with the Chippettes themselves isn't so good since this is from the period when Brittney's footwear was pretty low pink slip ons (as opposed to the pink sneakers she started wearing in later episodes when the whole legwarmer thing got old) and so tend to appear and dissapear (in fact if you watch the song, you'll notice a goof when she falls over, her shoeless foot still has the heel division it would have if she was wearing a shoe on it) however a bit later as she is trying to slink out of the hotel in disgrace she discovers that the music video went over incredibly and she has in fact started a trend. There are a whole group of young girls in wrecked clothes watinging to get the Chippettes autographs and they are ALL missing a shoe, Here's the best link I could find (youtube has a clip of the song, but not of the rest of the episode) Warning it takes a LONG time to finish buffering (the song is probably about 10:00 or so, the groupies around 11:02)
http://vbox7.com/play:e9da6e5f3c
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I forgot about that removal scene, but yes you are right.
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| Including at least one middle one (i.e. one off one to go) the very cold newspaper comic adapataion has a midway one too, but finding copies of that (even in the book for that came out a few years ago) is a lot harder. |
What do you mean by middle one? |
I meant a picture in the middle of the process of removing her shoes, when she has removed one but not the other. And that was supposed to be "old" not "cold"
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Great finds, thanks Nopperabo. Do you get to see her foot completely out of the shoe in the Hutchinson books?
I'll have to check out those other Oz books you mentioned. I wasn't aware there was shoe loss in Ozma, Rinkitink and Magic. Can you give a brief description of those scenes and where they occur (and also if there's illustrations)? I vaguely remember one scene in Rinkitink, but never read the illustrated version.
As much as I love Shantower and Young's Oz series of comics, it's not really ideal for what we're looking for since you never really get to see her feet in the few shoe loss scenes they have (I've only seen the one part with the where the witch makes Dorothy trip out of her shoe, and the part where she loses them while flying over the desert). I'd like to see the original illustrations. The original Baum books are relatively easy to find with illustrations. But the later ones by Ruth Thompson and the authors that followed her are much harder to find. I don't even think the kindle versions come with the illustrations. |
No, that's as far as Hutchison goes. There is a full shoe loss in the Hutchison comics but it is much later, in Land of oz #4 when the Wogglebug is reciting his life story and you see when he steps off of the expansion screen (a girl falls out of a window as she faints, as when she does one of her Mary janes falls off.
The Ozma, Magic and Rinkia aren't shoe losses ther'e shoe removals. Dorothy takes off her shoes and socks to let her feed dry off after wading ashore in EV. This is the only one that there is a picture of and it shows Dorothy already barefoot with her shoes and socks lying on a rock next to her while Billina scratches in the sand (which amongst other things shows how bad Niell was a drawing shoes without feet in them, Dorothy's shoes look absoultely wrecked. The one in Magic is basically the same, only in this case it's Trot drying off her feet, while Capn' Bill secures the Kalidah they have just captured. in theory there could be be a second one. While she is trying to get herself unrooted from the magic island, Camp bill suggests Trot try and pull her feet out of her shoes (which doesn't work, as her socks and feet also are growing roots. But it does say she managages to untie them so in theory once the wizard's magic gets them off, her shoes should still be untied (incidentally despite the very vlear use of the word "untied: (or maybe "unlaced") Niell gave trot Mary Janes too in his illustration indicating he didn't always pay much attention to what Baum actuially said) Indeed they may very well be wrecked to the point of falling apart. The Rinkitink one is probably the one you are thinking of when Inga changes shoes with Zella so as to get back his old ones (with the pearls inside of them) As I said, there is no illustration of this by Niell, but the Japanese version that just came out has one.
Yes the loss in the Shatower Young wizard is very bad, Dorothy's feet are far too small to see anything. On the other hand the removal in their comic version of Ozma (it's in volume #1) is pretty decent, as they draw her feet much larger and you get a good few panels of her pulling off her Mary Janes, Including at least one middle one (i.e. one off one to go) the very cold newspaper comic adapataion has a midway one too, but finding copies of that (even in the book for that came out a few years ago) is a lot harder.
There's a reason why the later ones are so hard to find. As of this point in time, all of the Baum ones are old enough to have fallen into public domain (both book and illustrations), so anyone can publish copies. But a lot of the Thompson and later 40's (the two by Niell, the ones by Rachel Cosgrove Payes, the ones by Jack Snow etc.) are still copyright protected. Rielly and lee (who holds the copyright) has taken a rather odd postion, they won't authorize re printing the books themselves (since they don't see enough profit in them) but wont let anyone else do it either (since the books are their property) they did authorize kindle versions of some of them a while back, since doing those didnt really cost them much and the profits they would get made it worthwhile. But the illustrations are under seperate copyright; they reverted to Niell's estate, and the estate has little interest in permitting thier re-use.
The one bit of good news is that, given where you live, getting a copy of at least Wonder city with the illustrations (and probably some of the other) will be a bit easier than for most. Some years ago, the Niell estate gave Books of Wonder permission to publish a faithful reproduction of Wonder City for sale in thier stores. A bit later Del Rey allowed them to start priting oversized copies of their paperback versions (which lack the color plates, (well lack them in color) but tend to have everything else) of some of the Thompsons. So if there is ONE place you can count on finding them it's their stores, and one of thier two is in Manhattan (17th street betweeen 5th and 6th avenues) those paperbacks are rather expensive (I think they're around $16 apiece last time in was there, some time ago) but they are pretty much the only modern option.
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I was tempted to "nylonize" it like I did the other Wizard of Oz manga, but found it to be too difficult since it's in color and I don't have the tools (or the skill) to make it look natural. |
Assuming that the "other oz manga" you are referring to is the Hutchison one (and I can't think of any other "Oz manga" readily available in English). There is an interesting "shoe scene" in that one (though not loss realted) for most of the comic Dorothy's silver shoes are medium heeled slip on pumps (which develop a seriosly elevated heel and pointed toe in the scene where the Wicked Witch of the West puts the one she stole on her foot. But if you look at the very first "shot" of Dorothy after she puts the silver shoes on you will notice that in that picture they are low heeled mary janes with very broad straps. My best guess is that is what Hutchision orginally designed them as then abandoned the idea possibly becuse he realized it was incompatible with his later plans (as I may have mentioned earlier, if the silver shoes have straps (or any other fastenings, like laces) the whole "trip out of the shoe" thing doesn't really work, as you couldn't without also damaging your ankle so badly as to be unable to walk.) But he forgot to correct it. |
I was referring the manga I posted earlier, the one where she wears those cowboy style boots that you told us about in this thread a few pages back. I'm not aware of this hutchinson one, however, but would like to see it.
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Another Oz book worth checking out is "The Wonder City of Oz (1940) (John R. Neil)" This is the 34th book in the Oz series and the first by John R. Neil (who had taken over from Ruth Plumly Thompson, successor of Baum).
In the book, an "ozlection" takes place in which voters are encouraged to throw their "soles" into the matter, and use their "rights". This of course means that the people of Oz must vote with their right shoe. But in Chapter 13, the heelers come and try and "steal the vote" by sucking the right shoes off their feet. Nearly everyone has their right shoes sucked off, including the protagonist, Jenny Jump (who where's heels and stockings, see pics). I've yet to find an illustrated version of this book (The text, at least, is public domain now), but I'm sure one exists since John R. Neil started off as an illustrator for L. Frank Baum's books, and later for Ruth Thompson. The two pictures of Jenny are his illustrations as far as I know. I'd like to find more though. |
Yes that is Niell's work and yes the book is full of illustrations. Techically the IS a one shoe picture in the book (or at least one that should be) in that thirteenth chapter, since there is a double page illustration of Jenny alerting the firefly faries (which takes place after she is attaked by the Heeler) However it really isn't worth looking for; Niell's artistic style means that, because of the angle, both of Jenny's feet look absolutely identcal, and could be interpreted as shod or stockinged with equal basis. Theoretically, there might be more in other foreign illustrators versions, but the only foreign version I have ever seen is a Russian one, which didn't have any illstrations for that chapter. I suppose the best bet I to sit tight and hope that, after Shantower and Young finish adapting Baum's Oz books, they contiunue with Thompsons and so on to the end of the "Famous Forty" besides Wizard obviosly, there are shoe loss, removals in Ozma (which has already been done) Rinkitink and Magic, all of which, being in the Baum 14 will presumably be gotten to (Shantower and young are starting Emerald city in July, so rinkitink is about 5-6 books (and therfore about 4-5 years) away Addionally while the Niell version of Rinkitink has no shoe removal illustrations, the recent Japanese version does have one (maybe I scan and post it later.
There is also one other Niell show loss picture. In Handy Manny of Oz, when scraps collides with Manny, one of her wooden shoes flies off.
And you are in luck I just remember I scanned all of the relevant Hutchision illustrations some time previosly for another forum, and they were still in my Photobucket account.     
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I was tempted to "nylonize" it like I did the other Wizard of Oz manga, but found it to be too difficult since it's in color and I don't have the tools (or the skill) to make it look natural. |
Assuming that the "other oz manga" you are referring to is the Hutchison one (and I can't think of any other "Oz manga" readily available in English). There is an interesting "shoe scene" in that one (though not loss realted) for most of the comic Dorothy's silver shoes are medium heeled slip on pumps (which develop a seriosly elevated heel and pointed toe in the scene where the Wicked Witch of the West puts the one she stole on her foot. But if you look at the very first "shot" of Dorothy after she puts the silver shoes on you will notice that in that picture they are low heeled mary janes with very broad straps. My best guess is that is what Hutchision orginally designed them as then abandoned the idea possibly becuse he realized it was incompatible with his later plans (as I may have mentioned earlier, if the silver shoes have straps (or any other fastenings, like laces) the whole "trip out of the shoe" thing doesn't really work, as you couldn't without also damaging your ankle so badly as to be unable to walk.) But he forgot to correct it.
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It's interesting that you mention this. I remember, I was watching the disney movie tarzan. Everyone here knows about the scene where she loses her boot and stocking (1:45).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQWyJ6irNMo
(I always wished she would have kept her stocking on in that scene. Oh well.)
But later on, when she's trying to climb off the tree, you can see her remaining boot "heel poppling" as if the black high heeled part of her boot is separating from the rest of her boot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfKS2iGeIxw
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as it almost looks as though the black high heeled section of her boot is a seperate shoe that she wears over her boot. I wonder if those type of boots were actually designed like that. |
I can confirm they were not. Two tone boots like that were a fairly popular fashion item of the time. the black patent bottom was sewn onto the lighter upper (which could be kidskin, regular leather, or cloth depedning on the make) take the bottom off and you basically have a collar with your foot poking out the bottom. I've awalys interpreted that scene as indicating that her other boot is now wrecked (or more likely that one of the animators wasn't familiar with how boots like that were constructed) . A similar effect was also sometimes gotten by wearing white spats over black boots (and indeed that is how the people at the Disney parks do it, as boots like that are no longer commonly made) , but it is fairly obvios Jane isn't doing that, you can see the inside of the boot she lost, and it is fairly obvios that is is an actual two tone boot (not to mention that, if they were just spats, she wouldn't have lost the boot in the first place, just the spat which would have simply pulled off. And of course there is the fact the monkey is able to balance the boot on his head shows the black part isn't seperate (if it was, it would fall off with no foot to hold it in place)
As I said before, the really odd thing is that she chose to wear boots like that to the jungle in he first place. Leaving aside the logic of wearing heels in the jungle, that kind of boot requires a buttonhook to put it on and take if off (the only reason the baboon was able to get it off is that he actually clawed the buttons on the side open) and then there is the matter of what to do if the buttons pop off (happened all the time) with laced boots, break a lace and you can thread in a new on replace it with a piece of string or a ribbon (both fairly common). Break off the buttons and you need replacement buttons, a special kind of hevy duty thread and special kind of needle etc. |
Thoroughly answered as usual Nop. If I had the time, I'd redraw each frame of that scene with her keeping her stocking on. That tickling scene later would have been so much better. |
But the plot wouldn't. The key part there is Tarzan realizing that Jane and himself are of the same species, that she is "like him". part of that is seeing that her naked foot is the same sort of foot as he has (that's important, when you consider that gorlillas are NOT going to have feet like his, their feet are handlike same as most apes. The foot leads to the glove/palm touch scene. If Jane still had her stocking, Tarzan probably wouldn't have made the connection and the movie falls apart. I think you are falling into the "make everything follow my desire, whether it makes sense or not" trap
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