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Posted by Nopperabo on 09-13-2012 at15:29:
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(...) And hunter, this is IT for the moment, as I said, I don't have the time or ENERGY to scan ALL of my collection.
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You put here a GREAT collection of wondrful pics. Thank You for it! |
You're quite welcome. I I didn't say I'd NEVER do any more, just not right now.
That brings up an interesting question I was meaning to ask you. Given how scanty you said you Oz folder was, I am a little suprised your collection includes no illustrations from Polish versions of the
Wizard of Oz . I know there are at least 10 different editions out there (probably closer to 20+, if you include the ones I never paid much attention to because they were dupliactes of ones I already had in other languages).
Posted by hunter77721 on 09-13-2012 at18:58:
I know about more less 10 Polish editions of "Wizard...". but in only one was pic of one-shoed Dorothy. Besides most of them were from socialistic times and has quite poor illustrations.
And I must to ask You for the Korean Cinderella, because in Poland I can't get that version. How many editions You know? And how many of them includes shoe losing scene illustrations?
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-13-2012 at20:49:
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I know about more less 10 Polish editions of "Wizard...". but in only one was pic of one-shoed Dorothy. Besides most of them were from socialistic times and has quite poor illustrations.
And I must to ask You for the Korean Cinderella, because in Poland I can't get that version. How many editions You know? And how many of them includes shoe losing scene illustrations? |
Would you happen to know which one? (I can PM you some cover illustrations). That would be useful informantion for me, since then I would know which edition I need to be actively hunting down.
Yes, a lot of the soviet era art for Baum/Volkov is pretty poor (I many not have all that many Polish versions, but thanks to years of Eastern European booksellers plying their wares on ebay, I have a TON of soviet era Oz and Volkov books from Russia,Latvia,Hungary,Romania, the Ukraine etc.) Though I think you may be selling the illustrators of the period a little short. Yes, a lot of them are a bit blocky and unispired, but there are a few bright spots. I LOVE Chizikov's interpretation of Volkov. And while there are no shoe loss pictures (well except maybe for one maybe). I think the illstrations done for one of the Russian publications of Baum's Oz books by the Armenian illustrator Shageldian are absoultely hilarious (sort of like Oz drawn by Dr. Seuss). Even with regards to the Polish publactions, I have in my collection copies of the Ozma, Dorothy and the Wizard and Magic of Oz books with the illstrations by Zibignew, and while I wont claim they are the height of art, they do have a certain charm ( I particualry like how he handled Dorothy in Dorothy and the Wizard, somehow, having her in a plaid shirt, a denim skirt and cowboy boots seems so right.)
As for your question about the Korean one, that's kind of hard to answer. I think that that book is the only version of that story I have. it was part of a lot of Korean books I bought a year or two ago on ebay. There were two more books of that series in the lot, which I think consists of classic Korean fairy tales for toddlers given the fact is is a board book and the size (it's hard to tell from the scan but the thing is
tiny it can't be more than 2 inches to the side.) I think the actualy story is called something like "Pear Blossom". It's the traditional Korean version of Cinderella, which is actually an incredibly ancient fairy tale (a copy of Ko-ai and her Lost shoe, which is the Chinese Version of the story was found buried in a wall in china, and the carbon dating of the parchment places it's writing back during the Warring States era (i.e. before 221BC). How many editions of this story are out there (and how many have an illustration of the shoe loss) I have no idea. My collection is not NEARLY as rich in Korean books as it is in Japanese (it's simply a matter of acess, for Japanese books, I have Bookoff (one branch now, two for a lot of the time I was collecting, and Kinokuniya (for new Japanese books) AND (now) Rinkiya. For Korean, I'm pretty much limited to whatever someone decides to list on Ebay, and that really isn't a lot (There
are two Korean bookstores I know of, but I don't usually find anything there (I think the only thing I've ever bought at either was a copy of the Kim Min Ji version of the Wizard of Oz, and that doesn't have a loss (at least not in that version).
As for Korean books in general, that's even more of a complicated matter. On the one hand, there
is in fact, quite a lot of children's literature published in Korean, since it is one of the farily small number of Asian countries where there is a big population of rich and affluent people who can afford a Western style array of multiple publications/editions of the same title. On the other hand, the actualy amount of ORIGINAL illustrative art isn't as high. as it might appear on the surface. In many respects, a lot of the Korean children's book illustration market runs sort of like a clearing house, where versions of stories are gathered from the rest of the world both Western and Eastern (i.e. China and Japan) translated into Korean, and re published there. To use Oz as the example I am most familar with, I have had over the years probably around 30-40 different Korean adapataions of the Wizard of Oz. Of those some used the "original" illustrations by Denslow. About 4-5 used illustrations different enough that I can be fairly sure they were original Korean production (though even those were often heavily influence by other sources) at least two featured "re-draws" of the Japanese ones by Takahasii (that's the one in the pictures I scanned where Dorothy is blonde, and has kneesocks) There were at least two that took thier illustrations from China (though since China does the same trick of copyting, without publication information, it's hard to say whethere China copied Korea or Korea copied China) There were 2 whose illustrations originated in Germany, at least one from Italy, and one two parter whos pictures going just by sylye (I can't read Hangul any more than I can read Kanji or Kantaka, so I have no real way of checking this) probably originated in either Spain or Portugal. So trying to guess how many of the books in Korea are likey to have appropriate pictures is basically almost impossible.
Posted by Mandrake on 09-18-2012 at00:14:
Some great finds here, I especially liked the live action one, Rich Man, Poor Woman. You get two great close up shots of her stocking foot and a nice heel pop. She's so cute too. I couldn't find shoe loss in your first link or last link though, even though I jumped to the times you pointed out.
Posted by ko962 on 09-18-2012 at18:08:
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Some great finds here, I especially liked the live action one, Rich Man, Poor Woman. You get two great close up shots of her stocking foot and a nice heel pop. She's so cute too. I couldn't find shoe loss in your first link or last link though, even though I jumped to the times you pointed out. |
In the last link
Go to 20.21 she is running wearing one shoe don't see her lose it.
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-18-2012 at18:57:
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Originally posted by Mandrake
Some great finds here, I especially liked the live action one, Rich Man, Poor Woman. You get two great close up shots of her stocking foot and a nice heel pop. She's so cute too. I couldn't find shoe loss in your first link or last link though, even though I jumped to the times you pointed out. |
In the last link
Go to 20.21 she is running wearing one shoe don't see her lose it. |
She doesn't lose it because she never had it. That's Momoji, and as I mentioned earlier, in her "normal" costume, her left foot is bare and she wears a worn out broken loafer on her right foot (I think this, like the patches on her clothes and "spirit band" are meant to indicate she is a god of poverty and misfortune) Oddly she tends to keep in that state in both conditions; that is, not only does she have one shoe outside (when a normal person would have 2) but usually inside as well (where, this being Japan, a person would normally be shoeless). The scene you are mentioing actually is around the first minute or so (there is a glitch in the file where if you fast forward too fast, the file gets mixed up with regard to timing, and the time count gets screwed up. The actualy loss being referred to is the other character, who has been turned into a child as a result of an incorrect ageing spell . When momoji catches her and grabs her off the ground one of her pink slip-ons falls off.
Posted by ko962 on 09-18-2012 at20:17:
OK, thanks for the infro I will watch it all the way through next time.
Posted by potk on 09-18-2012 at20:28:
The scene also happens in the manga:
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Posted by Mandrake on 09-19-2012 at01:22:
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Originally posted by Nopperabo
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Originally posted by ko962
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Originally posted by Mandrake
Some great finds here, I especially liked the live action one, Rich Man, Poor Woman. You get two great close up shots of her stocking foot and a nice heel pop. She's so cute too. I couldn't find shoe loss in your first link or last link though, even though I jumped to the times you pointed out. |
In the last link
Go to 20.21 she is running wearing one shoe don't see her lose it. |
She doesn't lose it because she never had it. That's Momoji, and as I mentioned earlier, in her "normal" costume, her left foot is bare and she wears a worn out broken loafer on her right foot (I think this, like the patches on her clothes and "spirit band" are meant to indicate she is a god of poverty and misfortune) Oddly she tends to keep in that state in both conditions; that is, not only does she have one shoe outside (when a normal person would have 2) but usually inside as well (where, this being Japan, a person would normally be shoeless). The scene you are mentioing actually is around the first minute or so (there is a glitch in the file where if you fast forward too fast, the file gets mixed up with regard to timing, and the time count gets screwed up. The actualy loss being referred to is the other character, who has been turned into a child as a result of an incorrect ageing spell . When momoji catches her and grabs her off the ground one of her pink slip-ons falls off. |
Ah, ok, I found it. But what about the first link?
Posted by Mandrake on 09-19-2012 at13:01:
I'd be interested in reading it. Too bad it's in another language.
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-19-2012 at21:29:
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I'd be interested in reading it. Too bad it's in another language. |
I've got a copy. And no, the one on the cover is the only shoe loss scene (and even that is unique to this edition; older one's have a different cover that does not have this) Actually, the costume on the cover is not worn by Marion Duval at any point in the book, where the cover illustrator came up with it I do not know.
Posted by hunter77721 on 09-19-2012 at21:32:
Thank You, Nopperabo!
I also found this one:
Woman's World
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-19-2012 at22:49:
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Thank You, Nopperabo!
I also found this one:
Woman's World |
Don't know that one, but based on the cover, I'd say it is a magazine, not a book.
Posted by potk on 09-20-2012 at19:54:
I actually saw that last one a while ago; it is really good.
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-21-2012 at02:44:
Found this surfing. I appears to be the construction history of the "dangling" model of Callie Briggs (from SWAT cats) while I won't claim to like everything about the artists interpretation. Callie did not have claws in the series (and she basically had human hands, the "cat's can rertract thier claws" doesn't really work here) so she probably shouldn't have them now especially on her feet (if her toenails were that long, she probably couldn't get her shoes ON in the first place) but it is a well constructed piece.
http://celsoryuji.deviantart.com/gallery/29732553
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