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Posted by FootsieFan357 on 08-28-2022 at19:35:
The first Tarzan link also has Tarzan removing Jane's boot around 45:16.
It would have been cool if something like that happened in the movie.
Posted by Mandrake on 08-29-2022 at02:53:
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Originally posted by FootsieFan357
The first Tarzan link also has Tarzan removing Jane's boot around 45:16.
It would have been cool if something like that happened in the movie. |
A few years ago I was bored and started working on a stocking foot version of the disney tarzan shoe loss scene. It's actually a really good scene if you pause your way through it, but it always disappointed me that her purple stocking came off with her boot. I would I have loved to see her foot in her stockings. So I screen capped a bunch of scenes and tried to re-edit a version in which she keeps her stocking on. It didn't really come out good and I never even finished the first pic so I abandoned the the project, but every so often I get tempted to try it again. I'm not even sure where those files are anymore though.
Posted by Nopperabo on 08-29-2022 at04:45:
Yeah, unless you are a great artist, trying to draw over another image successfully and make it look natural is hard. That why, back when I was doing all those anime book re-does, there were so many limits on which pictures I could actually do. The character needed to be wearing stockings or socks (since I couldn't draw toes) couldn't have on high heels (both because those usually weren't shown with stockings AND they put the foot in a position that would be unnatural if the foot was shoeless*) I couldn't do boots (since the way the artist drew them, they flared out at the top and I couldn't shave the edges down effectively), and so on.
I DID however, have a funny Tarzan scene I would have drawn if I could one in which (after the events of the movie) the little monkey tries to apologize and give Jane her boot back (remember, he was wearing it on his head near the end of the movie) and Jane replying "Yes, that's lovely. Now could you tell me where my stocking went?"
I also was trying for a fanfic (which might have had some single boot time, but I never conclusively decided if it really made sense.) In which Jane makes a passing reference to how far behind modern Fashion she appears to have fallen while in the jungle, given the clothes she is now seeing at Mr. Dumot's trading post (from the TV show).
Actually that show and the TV movies cause a lot of trouble in trying to work out a timeline as to when we are supposed to be. To start with, now that the Disney has confirmed the fan theory that Tazan's parents are the former King and Queen of Arendelle (i.e. Anna and Elsa from Frozen's brother.) That puts the start of the story in the 1850's. Jane dresses more or less Victorian, which one can get away with if you assume that it's the mid late Victorian era (say 1870's or 80's). Up until now, we've okay. But then in a section of the first TV movie, we have Tarzan dealing with someone in an Airplane (which could not exist until 1903) and moreover an airplane of more of a 1920's-30's design. And Tarzan and Jane STILL look the same (even though they'd be in their 60's by now, so they'd be old and Jane's father long since dead.) But I did try for a funny bit about how shocked Jane is when she first sees the "tango shoes" (low heeled pumps popular in the late teens to early 20's) and how they would show her ankles, until remembering that, as she now goes barefoot nearly all the time, everyone can see her ankles anyway!
Anyhow to finish here's a sock hop Cinderella (it's kinda hard to find single saddle shoe pictures.)
[IMG]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/396457573450128742/[/IMG]
Posted by Sonic52 on 08-29-2022 at09:44:
Gave your idea a try Mandrake, dont think I got it to blend in perfect but im satisfied with the quick attempt. Honestly this scene is probably what got me into all this stuff in the first place.
https://sta.sh/01gb4uarea0q
Posted by Mandrake on 08-29-2022 at15:01:
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Originally posted by Sonic52
Gave your idea a try Mandrake, dont think I got it to blend in perfect but im satisfied with the quick attempt. Honestly this scene is probably what got me into all this stuff in the first place.
https://sta.sh/01gb4uarea0q |
Awesome, thanks! It looks great. I remember the first time I saw this scene I was actually working in a movie theater in 1999 and remembered seeing her with one shoe. I was so curious about how she lost her boot that I decided to watch the whole film on my day off. It really is a great scene. Maybe one of these days I'll get around a series of pics like this and create a gif or something.
Posted by Mandrake on 08-29-2022 at15:58:
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Originally posted by Nopperabo
Yeah, unless you are a great artist, trying to draw over another image successfully and make it look natural is hard. That why, back when I was doing all those anime book re-does, there were so many limits on which pictures I could actually do. The character needed to be wearing stockings or socks (since I couldn't draw toes) couldn't have on high heels (both because those usually weren't shown with stockings AND they put the foot in a position that would be unnatural if the foot was shoeless*) I couldn't do boots (since the way the artist drew them, they flared out at the top and I couldn't shave the edges down effectively), and so on. |
It's easy when it's black and white, but very difficult when it's in color. The only color stockings edit I did successfully was this:
https://www.deviantart.com/mandrakemoorglade/art/Gen-Gen-Silva-losing-her-shoes-Stockings-Version-678606222
But those use simple colors and not as complex as a color Disney animated film.
I have an easier time with black and white comics. There's a wizard of oz manga where Dorothy wears boots instead of silver/ruby slippers. She loses her boot(s) several times. Sometimes with stockings and sometimes without. But the stockings were not sheer, so you couldn't see her toes through them. I re-edited it to add stockings when she wasn't wearing, and add toes when she was wearing the stockings. Since it was black and white, the ones where I added the stockings actually came out pretty good. But the ones where I had to draw in the toes looked a little dodgy, but passable. I think I posted it here earlier in the thread, but here it is again if anyone wants to check it out. It's in Japanese, but feel free to translate it if you have the time and inclination.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11e77mwhB4FsXPwmqgZCG0xA_-Q8JNUwU/view?usp=sharing
I think doing these edits is what made me believe I could do the Tarzan one. Given enough time and motivation I could probably do something decent, but I have too many other projects on my plate right now. Perhaps in the future.
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I DID however, have a funny Tarzan scene I would have drawn if I could one in which (after the events of the movie) the little monkey tries to apologize and give Jane her boot back (remember, he was wearing it on his head near the end of the movie) and Jane replying "Yes, that's lovely. Now could you tell me where my stocking went?"
I also was trying for a fanfic (which might have had some single boot time, but I never conclusively decided if it really made sense.) In which Jane makes a passing reference to how far behind modern Fashion she appears to have fallen while in the jungle, given the clothes she is now seeing at Mr. Dumot's trading post (from the TV show).
Actually that show and the TV movies cause a lot of trouble in trying to work out a timeline as to when we are supposed to be. To start with, now that the Disney has confirmed the fan theory that Tazan's parents are the former King and Queen of Arendelle (i.e. Anna and Elsa from Frozen's brother.) That puts the start of the story in the 1850's. Jane dresses more or less Victorian, which one can get away with if you assume that it's the mid late Victorian era (say 1870's or 80's). Up until now, we've okay. But then in a section of the first TV movie, we have Tarzan dealing with someone in an Airplane (which could not exist until 1903) and moreover an airplane of more of a 1920's-30's design. And Tarzan and Jane STILL look the same (even though they'd be in their 60's by now, so they'd be old and Jane's father long since dead.) But I did try for a funny bit about how shocked Jane is when she first sees the "tango shoes" (low heeled pumps popular in the late teens to early 20's) and how they would show her ankles, until remembering that, as she now goes barefoot nearly all the time, everyone can see her ankles anyway!
Anyhow to finish here's a sock hop Cinderella (it's kinda hard to find single saddle shoe pictures.)
[IMG]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/396457573450128742/[/IMG] |
Cute pic! Is that the full resolution version of the pic though. One thing that bothers me about pinterest is that it's so difficult to save the original version.
Posted by Nopperabo on 08-29-2022 at23:10:
Yeah, I've got a set of those mangas (there MAY be an extra piece that goes along with them, but I have yet to track it down).
Technically there are at least four or five more Oz mangas. There's Captive Hearts of Oz (no shoe losses, unfortunately), A Korean one (which makes it magwah, not manga) Oz the Manga the comic book series (American) Oz the Manga the book (covers Wizard and Land). And if one defines a manga as any Japanese book presented in comic book format, then there are ones going back to the early 1960's, with equal numbers also being printed in China or Korea (though possibly not originating there, both countries have a long track record of taking their editions from other countries and adapting them, or why I'm not totally sure where some of my books were illustrated.)
I usually don't find black and white any easier, unless the artist draws in a VERY strict black and white (i.e. little or no grey or patterned bits).
Plus, since I'm working from a scan, it's not like any of the colors are flat colors; the computer turns each pixel into a whole range of shades. In fact, I can't really DRAW at all and make it look good, I literally have to copy and paste tiny bits of parts of the illustration (usually the stocking) over the shoe to "erase" it. For one of mine, I actually had to re-do the entire leg this way, since the Alice in that was wearing striped stockings, and it turned out that, when drawing the picture Yutaka Ono lost count of the stripes, and put opposing stripes on each side of the shoe strap (which was exactly one stocking stripe wide) as opposed to the same one (so I had to reverse the colors all the way down the rest of the foot.)
And, of course, I've had to scan extra pics for some to get what the character's stocking color actually IS.
I suppose I'm just luck that, when Ono drew shoes, he tended to make the side of the shoe sole follow the exact same curvature as the foot would have if it WASN'T wearing a shoe (so I didn't have to figure out all the up and down curves.)
Posted by Shrinkmaster22 on 08-30-2022 at05:04:
It really isn't that hard to do, now changing every frame of the entire scene on the other hand, that would be a challenge.
Posted by Mandrake on 08-30-2022 at06:11:
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Originally posted by Shrinkmaster22
It really isn't that hard to do, now changing every frame of the entire scene on the other hand, that would be a challenge. |
Nice work with the shading, but I think I prefer Scratch's version because you can see the toes better. I do agree that the real challenge is being able to do it for every frame so that it could be reinserted into the movie. Not something I have the time or patience for, but I might do a few select frames.
Posted by FootsieFan357 on 08-30-2022 at20:13:
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Originally posted by Sonic52
Gave your idea a try Mandrake, dont think I got it to blend in perfect but im satisfied with the quick attempt. Honestly this scene is probably what got me into all this stuff in the first place.
https://sta.sh/01gb4uarea0q |
Dang! That's way WAY better than my version from last year!
I'm no artist, so my version was just some poor masking using Sony Vegas.
Here it is:
https://www.deviantart.com/footsiefan357/art/Jane-s-Stocking-Foot-879938360
Shrinkmaster's version is really good too.
Posted by FootsieFan357 on 08-31-2022 at04:32:
Another thing to mention:
In the official Disney Tarzan comic, the baboon isn't holding Jane's boot with the stocking sticking out. The baboon is just holding the stocking, without the boot. I'm assuming that in the comic, the boot was removed first, then the stocking, but that's just my guess.
Panel is in a different language, but it's the same illustration in the English version.
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-01-2022 at14:49:
Actually, I think the best three single boot pictures of Jane aren't from the movie AT ALL. I no longer remember EXACTYLY where they are (mostly) but they exist.
First, in one of the abridged story versions, there is a picture of Jane introducing Tarzan to her father. That one is particularly good because Jane has her bare foot pointed, as if she WANTS people to look at it (and not in the classic "Daddy, they took my boot!" manner.
The other two are interesting because her boot and stocking are ALL Jane is missing, she still has her hat, both gloves, and her dress is not torn. One of those, again, is in a book, in this case an activity book (you are supposed to circle which of the boots/shoes on the ground is Jane's, she is sitting up in a tree.
The second is the cover of one of the Disney gift Catalogs which shoes Jane and Tarzan swinging. Again, one bare foot, but no other damage (as if she just decided one day to leave one of her feet bare.)
Speaking of Disney, it was MANY years ago (I'm probably talking at least 30) but I remember a Disney activity book my mom had gotten us to keep ourselves busy on the train ride into (or, in fact I think, out of) NYC for one of our trips these, and it had a puzzle where you had to match Disney characters to their shoes, and, for this puzzle, they actually drew all the characters in one shoe. Most were male (I remember Goofy and Pinocchio), but there WERE two girls (Cinderella I think (of course) and Wendy from Peter pan (I remember that one because I didn't think it was fair, due to the fact that 1. Wendy's shoe looked almost identical to Cinderella's and 2. Because she still had on her movie costume of a floor length nightgown, her feet were covered more or less (you might have been able to see a few toes on one foot, but that was it.)
Posted by FootsieFan357 on 09-01-2022 at17:36:
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Originally posted by Nopperabo
The other two are interesting because her boot and stocking are ALL Jane is missing, she still has her hat, both gloves, and her dress is not torn. One of those, again, is in a book, in this case an activity book (you are supposed to circle which of the boots/shoes on the ground is Jane's, she is sitting up in a tree.
The second is the cover of one of the Disney gift Catalogs which shoes Jane and Tarzan swinging. Again, one bare foot, but no other damage (as if she just decided one day to leave one of her feet bare.)
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I downloaded two of the images you're talking about years ago.
https://sta.sh/026k8lvvz4ng
https://sta.sh/0x1twtzs6hb
I also have an image from a Tarzan book that shows Jane losing her boot, but no stocking is shown. I'm assuming the illustrator was unaware of the fact that she wears stockings.
https://sta.sh/02696g7kv6u2
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-01-2022 at18:07:
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Originally posted by FootsieFan357
I also have an image from a Tarzan book that shows Jane losing her boot, but no stocking is shown. I'm assuming the illustrator was unaware of the fact that she wears stockings.
https://sta.sh/02696g7kv6u2 |
Well, to be fair, one of the original animators screwed up as well by forgetting that the black parts of Janes boot were incorporated with the white ones, resulting in the heel pop when she tries to get out of the tree. It's been so long since boots like that were in fashion that the animator must have forgot (same reason cosplayers tend to go with solid brown boots and make white gaiters to put over them, they don't make the original kind anymore*)
*Though I always am a little surprised even Disney does that for the actors for the park. You'd think that, with the money they have, they could afford semi-realistic ones (semi in that they'd probably have to add a hidden zipper or Velcro, as actually buttoning them up would be too time consuming. Plus, they'd have to commission buttonhooks to be made as well.)
Then again, both the Tarzan and Aladdin actors wear sandals (since walking around barefoot in Disneyland or Disney world would not be a good idea.) so maybe they just hope no one will notice.
Posted by Nopperabo on 09-01-2022 at18:36:
There is also, I think a BIG lost opportunity for shoe loss in the later Oz books.
In The Wonder City of Oz, which John R. Niell (normally the illustrator) wrote himself. There is an Ozelection for rule over the Emerald City. In the original round of this people cast their votes by leaving their right shoes at the polling places of their respective choices. That means that, for a period, pretty much EVERYONE in the Emerald City would be in one shoe. Even more so when the Heelers (who eat votes, and so scarf up all of the results, along with most of the right shoes of those who HADN'T voted yet, thereby making that round invalid). A great chance for some single shoe artwork, and yet there is NOTHING. Niell himself forgets about this detail in the illustration of Jenny Jump in the Fairy Garden when she asks them to drive the Heelers away (for a long time, I thought this picture might be ambigous, since on of Jenny's feet is facing towards the reader, and it is hard to tell if the line on it is the top of her pump or a fold in her stocking. But then I realize that that foot is her LEFT foot, and that with her right, there is no question, as it is turned to the side and you can see her shoe heel.)
And the few foreign versions of this story I know of (both printed in Russia) don't have illustrations of this bit AT ALL.
I'd do some myself, if I was actually a competent artist. Until then I just have to add such losses as I can satisfactorily explain into my own Oz work.
Posted by tealc176 on 09-02-2022 at19:25:
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Originally posted by Nopperabo
There is also, I think a BIG lost opportunity for shoe loss in the later Oz books.
In The Wonder City of Oz, which John R. Niell (normally the illustrator) wrote himself. There is an Ozelection for rule over the Emerald City. In the original round of this people cast their votes by leaving their right shoes at the polling places of their respective choices. That means that, for a period, pretty much EVERYONE in the Emerald City would be in one shoe. Even more so when the Heelers (who eat votes, and so scarf up all of the results, along with most of the right shoes of those who HADN'T voted yet, thereby making that round invalid).
I'd do some myself, if I was actually a competent artist. Until then I just have to add such losses as I can satisfactorily explain into my own Oz work. |
heh I don't know why but i almost wish that the City of Attis in the dervland story by mandrake had a smilar rule for voting, seeing how the whole story is a wizard of oz parody
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